ASCAS Association of Small Collectors of Antique Silvernewsletter # 123 August 2014 SITE MAP
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Paris a hallmark November 12, 1788
Christophe Ginter presents:

The forgotten silversmiths of French revolution English version

Les orfèvres oubliés de la Révolution Française page en francais

The objective of this article is the identification of Paris silversmiths whose activity has been 'forgotten' as their marks were never registered, due to the disorder caused by the French Revolution of July 14, 1789. To my knowledge, these silversmiths aren't listed in any bibliographic record and this article is a small contribute to rehabilitate their activity of skilled craftsmen. Their marks are well presents on silverware owned by French and foreigners collectors, often unsure about the authenticity of their silver punched with unidentified marks never subjected to registration......

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New members

Welcome to new ASCAS members:

John Baker - USA
Daniel Duffin - South Africa
Andrew Jackson - England UK
Richard Mytton-Mills - USA
Chris Yates - England UK

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Anthony B. writes:
...I love your web site and just saw your article on the Skyphos cup. I am trying (desperately!) to find out who may have made this fantastic jug. Its 60 0z. Super high quality. Possibly Italian c 1870 or maybe French I think.
I have also a page from a 1941 catalogue of a very famous estate sale of the collection of Henry Walters in the US. All these pieces are listed as Milello. See lot 1155. It's not quite my own which is less stylized and a less faithful copy of the original bronze, though all the better for it as a piece of silver.
Any suggestion will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
Anthony B.

Debi C. writes:
... I have a couple of real silver mystery marks that I can't find anywhere and was hoping I could get some help.
The small spoon 3 5/8" looks like a cross GB 21 or 2I, the second scoop (cheese?) is 5" L with a walking lion, head facing left with an 'M' in his / her cap, a J in a circle with 'AP'.
Any ideas?
Debi C.
Both marks are from The Netherlands, 833/1000 silver fineness.
The first mark was used from 1814 to 1853. The date of the second is 1919 (possibly). I'm unable to identify the makers.
Giorgio Busetto

Mark Dwen writes:
... a few years ago my Nan gave me this cigarette case that had belonged to her father and she said it was silver.
I was just wondering if you know what the hallmarks mean
Thanks for your help
Mark Dwen
The maker is Joseph Gloster Ltd, the date Birmingham 1921, see my website at

Gilles Faivre writes:
...I have a coffee pot and a sugar bowl late 19th / early 20th punched CB surrounding a press copy, Claudius Louis Boyron goldsmith in Lyon.
There is a second punch in a circle that looks like a crab. My question is on the 2nd punch: is it the punched crab sterling silver or other metallic silver punch?
Thank you in advance for the help you can give me
Gilles Faivre
Obviously silverplate, nothing to do with a presumably punched crab for sterling silver used in France, anyway after 1962.
Christophe Ginter

Alan Yates writes:
...I wonder if you could assist me with a query relating to the history of Ladysmith?
I recently bought a charming little trowel in silver and ivory from a very reputable dealer in London (Image attached).
In my opinion it is a commemorative item but smaller than the usual commemorative trowels. The flat silver portion is only 115 mm long.
The inscription reads 'HEB 1882 Ladysmith '.
The Maker's mark is JH in a rectangular box.
Who was HEB? And what commemorative event took place in Ladysmith 132 years ago?
The maker was in all probability a South African silversmith.
I hope that you are able to enlighten me and I look forward to hearing from you.
Alan Yates
In my opinion your items isn't a small trowel but a cake server
Giorgio Busetto

Johnny Kennedy writes:
my girlfriend's grandparents have two silver containers, and they don't know what they are.
I have been doing research and have not been able to find much information. They were made by JD&S.
Any information that you can provide about the maker and their use would be greatly appreciated.
Johnny Kennedy
The maker is James Deakin & Sons, see my website at
Your item is, probably, a biscuit holder
Giorgio Busetto

Robin Gibson writes:
I have a teapot for which I am unable to identify the maker, but wondered if it might be the Alexander Clark Manufacturing Company.
May someone enlighten me please
Kind regards
Robin Gibson

Replies to questions

Audra Poland receives these answers about her sugar and creamer
(see July 2014 Newsletter)
Alan Yates writes
My reply to Audra Poland's question about the milk jug and sugar bowl:
I can understand the puzzle presented by these two items. First, unmarked as you say, and secondly, due to the absence of similar items with marks.
Accordingly, we need to resort to experience and intuition, or 'feel', and in my opinion the items are not silver.
My reasons very briefly are as follows:
The gauge of the metal at the top of both bowls looks much heavier than other silver bowls and jugs.
The method used to fix the bowls to the bases is not typical of silver but is for similar plated objects.
And the heavy brackets between bowls and wooden handles just look like plated brackets and if I'm not mistaken, brass screws have been used.
I note that Audra did not make mention of whether or not the items were properly tested for silver. I suggest that they are tested and I look forward to hearing the outcome.
Just my opinion but I hope it will be useful and I look forward to reading the opinions of other members.
Alan Yates


In this column we presents a page obtained from makers' brochures, books, auction catalogs, advertising or whatever other printed paper, related to silver, that may be of interest for ASCAS members.
The images will be published at a "low resolution" level and for private and personal use only.
This column is published under the kind permission of Giorgio Busetto's website home page

Ferguson & Company, Jewellers, Silversmiths, Etc., 'The Corner', Durban, South Africa, 1897: shop image
This month ASCAS presents an ancient image of the shop/showroom:


Ferguson & Company, Jewellers, Silversmiths, Etc.
'The Corner', Durban, South Africa, 1897
"Conducting their business on a Strictly Cash Basis in Buying and Selling, and being Direct Importer -buying only from the ACTUAL MAKERS- Ferguson & Company are in a position to offer better value than any other House in South Africa"

This image is part of the FACTORIES, PLANTS, SALESROOMS, SHOPS AND WORKSHOPS: OLD IMAGES section of website


In this column we present an abstract from a page of the "What is? Silver Dictionary"
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silver cream skimmer, Hamilton & Inches, Edinburgh 1910


Examples of silver cream scoop (cream skimmer) were made in Scotland in 18th and 19th century.

They were used to skim the cream from the milk, having the form of a flat semicircular band attached to a long wood handle. more




In this column we present marks, information and history of silversmiths and silver manufacturers.
This column is published under the kind permission of Giorgio Busetto's website home page


Henry Hodson Plante was active for about 60 years as silversmith and electroplater in Birmingham and London. He opened and closed various firms and partnerships between the early 1860s and the late 1910s.

The partnership between Henry Hodson Plante, Joseph Hirons and Rowland Bourne was created c. 1860. The firm Hirons, Plante & Bourne was active at 54-56 Frederick Street, Birmingham and 41 Hatton Garden, London. In 1878 Rowland Bourne left the partnership and firm changed its name to Hirons, Plante & Co. In 1882, after the retirement of Joseph Hirons, Henry Hodson Plante continued the activity as H.H. Plante & Co. He ceased this activity before 1894 (in 1894 the sole partner was Emily Catherine Plante). In 1897 the firm was converted into a limited liability company as H.H. Plante & Co Ltd under the direction of Albert H. Plante, Albert Grinder and Henry P. Macklin. The activity was closed in 1899...



In this column we present images and descriptions of Crests and Mottoes of British, Irish and Scottish families as engraved on silver items.
This column is published under the kind permission of Giorgio Busetto's website home page



family crest: NISBET and others
A crest used by various British families.
The crest is described as "A boar, passant". The motto is " I byde it" The crest was found in an Old Sheffield Plate dish cover, marked GK
Old Sheffield Plate dish cover marked GK Old Sheffield Plate dish cover marked GK

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Closing our AUGUST 2014 edition of ASCAS Newsletter I hope you have appreciated its content.
Your comments, suggestions and advice will be of great help.

My thanks to Anthony B., Christophe Ginter, Debi C., Mark Dwen, Gilles Faivre, Robin Gibson, Johnny Kennedy, Alan Yates for their precious contributions.

Giorgio Busetto
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