ASCAS Association of Small Collectors of Antique Silvernewsletter # 146 July 2016 SITE MAP

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Maurice Meslans presents:

Real or Fake?: Resolving The Issue of Agen Marks of the Fouache Regie English version

I have always been fascinated by fakes, who made them, how, and why.
When I was new to the business I bought a "fake" Kentucky julep cup. But even it wasn't a real "fake". It was a copy made by a collector, from Kentucky, in the old way, and marked with his own mark.
I remember the first real fake I ever saw, and recognized, a 17th century German beaker. It shouldn't have fooled anyone as it was seamed instead of being raised.
This brings up the two types of fakes one finds. The first I would call a "whole cloth" fake which is a piece made specially to deceive. Most faked 18th century silver can't be made by raising or any of the 18th century methods as these methods require too much skill and are too expensive to be cost effective.....
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New members

Welcome to new ASCAS members:

Carlo Arcari - Germany
Liz Ledbetter - USA
Luigi Masciullo - Italy
Stephen McKeown - United Arab Emirates

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Dani Boyd writes:
... I'm trying to identify the maker of this religious icon. It is signed 'Bola' has the boar's head & a maker's mark that looks like L L.
In between the two L is what appears to be a bell.
I was wondering if you could help me identify the maker
Thank you
Dani Boyd

The maker is Langlois Lucien, 7 Rue Réaumur, Paris, active 1890/1921, see my website at
Giorgio Busetto

Andrew Brasch writes:
... Can you help with the details of this German silver mark?
Andrew Brasch

The maker is Sohnlein Karl & Sohne, Hanau , see my website at
Giorgio Busetto

Luigi Masciullo writes:
... I'm trying to obtain information about the marks of these silver "cartagloria" (prayer sheets). They bear the "leone in moleca" mark of the Republic of Venice but I'm unable to identify the assayer and the maker
Luigi Masciullo

The mark 'ZC a castle in between' belongs to Sazador in Zecca (assayer) Zuanne Cottini, active from 1712 to 1736.
This punch is documented together with the maker's mark DB belonging to an unidentified Venetian silversmith of the 18th century.
Giorgio Busetto

Malcolm Underwood writes:
... I have acquired what I believe to be a silver spirit measure. I am not able to identify the maker mark or the date stamp and would invite any member who has previously seen such marks to help me identify the piece.
It is 53 high and 43 dia, engraved with a warrior holding a sword in his Right hand and a severed head in his left hand. The hallmarks are foreign to me and I would appreciate any help in identification of the piece.
Malcolm Underwood

Replies to questions

Geldolph Everts receives these answers about his silver spoon
(see June 2016 Newsletter)

Peter van Oel writes
Not Dutch but British spoons made in London (crowned Leopard head), the fourth spoon maker's mark; TC on top of WC for Thomas & William Chawner known flatware makers, this particular mark seen 1764-1769. Marks not found in existing registers; they may have been recorded in the missing 1758-1773 Large workers' Register.
The other three spoons are also London made, maker's mark E.C in script letters for Ebenezer Coker, registered june 1739, this particular mark used/seen 1745-1757-1759.
Peter van Oel


In this column we presents a page obtained from makers' brochures, books, auction catalogs, advertising or whatever other printed paper, related to silver, that may be of interest for ASCAS members.
The images will be published at a "low resolution" level and for private and personal use only.
This column is published under the kind permission of Giorgio Busetto's website home page
Invitation to the Goldsmiths' Service 1701

This month ASCAS presents


A workshop scene under Goldsmiths' Company coat-of-arms between Britannia and Saint Dunstan illustrating the invitation to the Goldsmiths' service 1701.

Sir You are desired to meet the Rest of the Mystery of Goldsmith's at the Parish Church of St. Lawrence near Guildhall on Friday the Sixth day of February 1701 at nine of the clock in the Morning precisely there to hear a sermon & from thence to accompany ... to Goldsmiths hall in Fosterlane to Dine with
Your Friends and Servants

Gabriel Player          John East       
Lewis Mettayer       Edward Lammas
Robert Balme       Thomas Morrey
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In this column we present an abstract from a page of the "What is? Silver Dictionary"
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journeyman mark


From the end of the 12th century the craft of silversmith has been regulated in conformity with Royal Ordinances and Acts of the Parliament.
In England the craft was regulated by the Guild of Goldsmiths at London and in Ireland by the Guild of Dublin. In Scotland the craft was theoretically supervised by the Edinburgh Goldsmiths' Incorporation, but in practice its influence outside the capital was limited and a plethora di unofficial Scottish Provincial marks was created..... MORE...


In this column we present marks, information and history of silversmiths and silver manufacturers.
This column is published under the kind permission of Giorgio Busetto's website home page


The founder of "Hennell dynasty" was David Hennell (I) (1712-1785), apprenticed to Edward Wood in 1728.
David Hennell obtained his freedom (1735) and opened his own business in Gutter Lane in 1736.
In 1763 he was joined in the business in Foster Lane workshop by his son Robert (I) (1741-1811), entering a joint marks in 1763 and 1768. David Hennell retired in in 1773 c. and the family business was continued by Robert Hennell (I).
In 1795 David Hennell (II) (1767-1829) entered in partnership with his father registering a new conjoined mark (Robert Hennell (I) and David Hennell (II).
In 1802 his brother Samuel Hennell (1778-1837) joined to the partnership but soon after David Hennell II retired from the firm and the business was continued by Samuel Hennell and his father Robert Hennell (I)....


In this column we present images and descriptions of Crests and Mottoes of British, Irish and Scottish families as engraved on silver items.
This column is published under the kind permission of Giorgio Busetto's website home page




family crest: RATTRAY

The crest of a Scottish family.
The crest is described as "a mullet, ensigned by a flaming heart".
The Latin motto is Super sidera votum (My desires extend beyond the stars).
The crest was found on a sterling silver salt cellar, London 1812, silversmith Samuel Hennell
silver salt cellar bearing Rattray family crest
Samuel Hennell, London 1812 hallmark

Closing our July 2016 edition of ASCAS Newsletter I hope you have appreciated its content.
Your comments, suggestions and advice will be of great help.

My thanks to Dani Boyd, Andrew Brasch, Janjaap Luijt, Luigi Masciullo, Maurice Meslans and Malcolm Underwood for their precious contributions.

Giorgio Busetto


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