ASCAS Association of Small Collectors of Antique Silver         newsletter # 54 - NOVEMBER 2008
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A new article for ASCAS website

  mark of silversmith Pierre François GOGLY

Christophe Ginter presents:

Silver Hallmarks of Paris During the Reign of King Louis XV (France 1723-1774) English version

... Louis XIV died in 1715. His great-grandson Louis, born in 1710, was first in the line of succession as the King of France.
After a regency of eight years, and at the age of 13, which was considered a majority for kings, Louis XV actually took over the charge of the French kingdom in 1723. Louis XV contributed to enlarge French borders (Lorraine and Corsica) but his external policy was a real disaster (loss of Canada, departure from Indian territories).....

click here English version


New members

Welcome to new ASCAS members:  

Rodney Abad - USA
Andrea Cairnes - USA
Patrice Doherty - USA
Gordon James Key - England UK
Rodolfo Lopez Oyanadel - Chile
Angela Terrazzini - Italy
Ampelio Vimercati - Italy
Alberto Viscardi - Italy
Mari Wilenius - Finland

Members' Window # 54

Birmingham 1896 hip-flask

Robert Massart presents:

A Victorian Sterling Silver Hip Flask - Birmingham 1896 - English version

In this page is illustrated a Victorian solid silver hip/spirit flask assayed in Birmingham in 1896. The maker silversmith is Berkeley William Fase & Co, operating at 50, Oxford Street, London. It's a flawless solid silver container of excellent workmanship, beautifully polished and virtually scratch free, properly outlined to match the curve of the wearer's hip or thigh....        click here English version


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José Luis Muñoz writes:
... I'd wish to identify the marks of three plates I have. I believe they are Italians but any suggestion or further information would be greatly appreciated
Recibe un fuerte saludo de tu amigo español
José Luis

Your trays are indeed Italians and were made in Genova (Genoa) and Torino (Turin)
The two oval trays are marked with:
-castle: the so called "torretta", identifying assay office of Genova
-rectangle near the torretta; it's the date in three digits. The date may be 81? for 181? (...1810 to ...1814)
-female head toward left with 2 (only on the small tray): not identified. In my opinion this was a mark used by French Government during its occupation of Genova (Genoa became a French Department)
The round tray is marked with:
-GV into an oval: assayer's mark of Giuseppe Vernoni, son of Michele Antonio, active in Torino (Turin) assay office from 1778 to 1824
-image of Saint Carlo Borromeo and letters GB aside: silversmith Giuseppe Balbino, Torino 1775-1814 (Donaver-Dabbene, mark # 168). Giuseppe Balbino was a supplier of the Court of Savoy.
-crowned shield with cross and D 11 aside: used after the fall of Napoleon, from 1814 to 1824, in the Kingdom of Sardinia to mark large works of 916/1000 silver (silver fineness 11 denari).
Giorgio Busetto

Anne Adams writes:
... I am trying to identify the marks on this Russian silver sleigh and I was hoping you could be of help. I used the website to identify the marks, but I am unsure of my findings. I believe them to be:
Assayer - Aleksandr Alekseevich Smirnov
Year- 18?3
Silversmith Mark- Ivan Petrovich Khlebnikov
Town - Imperial Court Silversmith Imperial Cipher
I am attaching pictures of the markings if you would be so kind to help me, I would appreciate it.
Anne Adams

I'm not fully sure that the A.K mark (in Cyrillic) belongs to Khlebnikov, as your item was assayed in Moscow while Khlebnikov was active in St.Petersburg (Postnikova-Loseva doesn't quotes A.K silversmiths with Moscow town mark and omits to identify A.K silversmith with Moscow town mark). Anyway, Geoffrey Watts in his Russian Silversmiths' Hallmarks (2006) writes that Khlebnikov transferred to Moscow from St.Petersburg in 1871 (but doesn't illustrate his mark) and possibly this is his mark.
A.C (Cyrillic) assayer can be A. Svyechin (Moscow 1862-1875) or Alexander Smirnov (Moscow 1878-1895).
By the way, I'm the owner also of (it's my private website).
Giorgio Busetto

Garry Lillyman writes:
... I hope that you may be able to help me to more clearly identify the maker and date of a pair of Italian candlesticks I recently purchased. Attached are images of the maker's mark and of a candlestick.
I would assume that they were made in Milan between 1944-1968, perhaps 1940’s as the silver standard mark is not in an oval cartouche.
The sticks are 17.5cm tall, good quality, heavy for their size and possibly cast.
I look forward to any additional information you may be able to provide.
Garry Lillyman

The maker is Ilario Pradella, Via Tadino 44, Milano. The mark refers to the period post 1944 until 1970.
Giorgio Busetto

Antony Priest writes:
... my name is Tony Priest, of Exmouth Devon, UK. Please see attached file for photos of a bracelet that I have owned for a number of years now. I have spent hours searching the internet for information on it, and all I can work out is that it is from Moscow or St. Petersburg?
Any other information could shed any other light. I would very much appreciate it.
Kind regards

The bracelet bears St.Petersburg mark (kokosnik head toward right, 1908-1926).
Maker's mark G.P in Cyrillic isn't registered in Postnikova-Loseva book. A GP mark (without dot between) belongs to Grigory Pankratym, (St. Petersburg 1874-1908).
Giorgio Busetto

Andrew McCarthey writes:
... I was wondering if you might be able to help me, I have a small piece of silver in the shape of a 5 pointed star, It measures 1 3/4 inches from point to point, it has the lion passant and the leopard's head for London and the date letter "a" for 1916. There is also the maker's mark HTL&Co but I can not seem to find them anywhere: I have been told that it might be HENRY.T.LAMB but I am not sure.
Is there any chance that you might be able to help me?
Thanking you in advance for your assistance.

Your photo isn't well readable. Anyway I believe that your identification may be confirmed.
The mark HTL&Co into a rectangle was registered in London on 24th October 1905 by William Isaac Stiffen, "sole partner" of H.T. Lamb & Co, gold & silver workers.
Giorgio Busetto

Tammi Kiser-Sparks writes:
... I have three glass bottle with silver tops that have what I think are English marks.
The silver is marked with JP & Co and on the inside of one of the silver lids are the words London, John Po..nd, JP& Co.
I don’t know what the word after John is but I suspect it is the word Pound. There are also a lion's face, the letter S and and lion’s profile on the silver tops.
I have taken photos of each and have attached them to this email.
Any information you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
Tammi Kiser-Sparks

The maker is indeed John Pound & Co (this mark was registered in 1904 and 1905).
The firm was founded by Henry Pound in 1823.
Giorgio Busetto

Stephanie Andersen writes:
...I have owned a mysterious silver piece made by WMF. I bought the object 40 years ago in an antique shop in Denmark. I have never been able to figure out what it was for and hope you can help me!
I have attached a photo. The piece is 10" tall and 6" in diameter at the base.
I look forward to anything you can tell me.
Thank you.
Stephanie Andersen
PS- The actual mark on the bottom is, "WMFM".

I have no knowledge about the use of this piece (an epergne?). Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Giorgio Busetto

Replies to questions

Sue Tiffin receives these replies about her "pip tray" (see October Newsletter)
Pamela Coates writes:
... I had these items years ago, and purchased it directly from lady who told me they were for "ashes" as they were individual ashtrays that clipped on side of saucer for when "ladies" had tea.
Robert Massart writes:
... The so called "pip tray" mentioned by Sue Tiffin is indeed clipped on the side of a dish primarily to put bones or skin (chicken, fish) on it, in order to leave more place on the dish when eating a big meal.
I rather would call it a bone tray whereas, indeed, it could also be used to put seeds on it when eating fruit.
Attached pictures are of a recent metal model still in use in Belgium.

Joyce Colpetzer receives these replies about her serving set (see October Newsletter)
Karin Sixl-Daniell writes:
... This is an ice-cream serving set, specifically for ice cream bombes; similar sets can be found on Ebay from time to time
Nathalie Bourreau writes:
... Concerning German service, two parts: this is not a service with aspic but a service with ice cream
Also my first idea was that these items were ice cream servers. My hypothesis "aspic server" was based on an image of a similar item found in Replacements Ltd web page at
Giorgio Busetto

Robert Massart writes:
Dear Giorgio,
When reading the article by Prof David N. Nikogosyan 'Marks of European Silverplate' I noticed the similarity with the marks in my article 'Powdering with Style' (ASCAS article nr91) and my members' window ( nr41) 'Two Vodka Servers from East Europe'.
The Czechoslovakian powder puff box described in above mentioned article has the same rosette mark, however without the name SANDRIK.
In the member's window one of the vodka servers shows the rosette mark and SANDRIK in a triangle (which I erroneously indicated BAMBRIK).
Maybe that the firm marked silver items only with a rosette without the firm's name.
Anyway, I am very pleased to learn a lot more about these marks and the SANDRIK firm and that I can correct my writings accordingly.
Kind regards,


In this column we present a page obtained from makers' brochures, books, auction catalogs, advertising or whatever other printed paper related to silver, which may be of interest for ASCAS members.
The images will be published at a "low resolution" level and for private and personal use only
This month ASCAS presents pages of a 1912 catalog of the "Orfevrerie d'Art MIELE & Co - Paris - Lyon - Marseille - Bordeaux
1912 catalog of Orfevrerie d'Art Miele & Co 1912 catalog of Orfevrerie d'Art Miele & Co


In this column we presents an abstract from a page of the "What is? Silver Dictionary"
courtesy of home page
silver tankard, Richard Gosling, London 1752


Originally the name "tankard" meant a vessel for carrying water, but about the middle of the 16th century it came to denote an article that was principally utilized for holding beer.
It superseded the beaker, and was an improvement upon that article in that the tankard had a lid and a handle. Tankards are scarcely ever found except in beer drinking countries; that why so many old German, Norwegian and English are in existence.
In England, at the commencement of the 17th century, tankards were made much larger with the sides straight, and often chased with sea monsters, flowers, fruits and strapwork......


In this column we present books, new or ancient, dealing with silver in all its aspects (history, marks, oddities...). This isn't a "book review" but only a fair presentation of some useful "tools" that anyone may have in the shelf of his bookcase.
ASCAS members are invited to contribute to this column
(click to enlarge images)

The "book on the shelf" of this month presents:

by Francis Hill Bigelow
The MacMillan Company
New York - 1917  

Historic Silver of the Colonies and its Makers Historic Silver of the Colonies and its Makers


Closing our NOVEMBER 2008 edition of ASCAS Newsletter I hope you have appreciated its content.
Your comments, suggestions and advice will be of great help.

My thanks to Stephanie Andersen, Anne Adams, Pamela Coates, Jayne Dye, Christophe Ginter, Tammi Kiser-Sparks, Garry Lillyman, Andrew McCarthey, Robert Massart, José Luis Muñoz, Antony Priest, Karin Sixl-Daniell, JoAnne Wilkinson, for their invaluable contributions.

Giorgio Busetto
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