ASCAS Association of Small Collectors of Antique Silvernewsletter # 133 June 2015 SITE MAP

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journeyman's mark accompanying William Chawner II hallmarks

David McKinley presents:

Journeymen's Marks English version

... Such a mark is the identifying mark of the actual workman who made the piece and who was employed by the "maker" (now sponsor) whose mark must appear by law and is registered at Goldsmiths Hall.

No such register was kept for journeymen and the matter of establishing who worked for whom an area of research is still waiting to be undertaken.
These journeymen were craftsmen who had been made free of a Livery Company having completed a term of apprenticeship under the guidance of a master goldsmith and were thus qualified to practice their craft. However to set up a workshop was an expensive undertaking and a young man newly qualified was unlikely to have the necessary finance for such an undertaking until he had worked in an established workshop for some time.......
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Vladimir Jekic writes:
...Can anyone tell me what kind of hallmark is in this spoon?
What kind of silver and where from?
Thank you.
Vladimir Jekic

Ian Spellerberg writes:
...Does anyone have any primary information as to what these silver blades were made for? The longest is about nine inches (22.5 cm.).
From top to bottom: Made by Gorham C. 1880; made by B.B. & B. Co.; made by Shreve, Crump and Low; bottom, also by Shreve, Crump and Low, C. 1927.
We have been unable to find any information in old trade catalogues. Similar blades were made by Sampson Mordan & Co. Two of the above blades have inscriptions with literary connections. We are certain that they are not "tongue depressors" nor are they likely to be page markers.
Thank you.
Ian Spellerberg

Possibly these blades were used to cut page deckle edge in old books
Giorgio Busetto

Cheri Fowler writes:
...I have looked for days and can't find this mark.
Would you have any idea please?
Cheri Fowler

These are marks of the Kingdom of Sardinia (Piedmont, Turin, Italy). The shield with the cross inside is the symbol of Savoy dynasty. I know other similar marks, but I have no information about the mark with letter G. The mark "GR" is the assayer's mark of Giovanni Battista Raspi, Assay Office of Turin, from 1818 ...
Details about Kingdom of Sardinia marks in my website at
Giorgio Busetto

Richard Mytton-Mills writes:
...I have a spoon which I can't identify and I'm wondering if ASCAS members can help, maybe in an upcoming newsletter.
It's 5.5 inches long and weighs 21.2 grams; the design is rather sleek. The crest - a heraldic rose - is on the reverse of the handle, and the 4 marks are lower down the reverse of the stem.
They are deep, narrow and difficult to read (or photograph).
Thank you very much for your assistance.
Richard Mytton-Mills

I trust in the help of ASCAS members to identify this French silversmith
Giorgio Busetto

Yosef Shlingbaum writes:
...I just purchased the attached wine cup. The stamps show "Vienna 13 silver 1846" (plus not recognized stamp).
The cup bears headed handle and its magnificent work and design doesn't look for the use of just drinking wine. It may be made for prayer or use at chapel.
Do you have any idea for the use of this cup?
Thank you
Yosef Shlingbaum

Laurence Joyce writes:
...Do you or any of your ASCAS members know what the additional marks mean on this 1821 fiddle pattern tablespoon by Francis Higgins?
I guessed the cross in a diamond was a journeyman's mark, but it's not one I've seen before. Of the other marks, the HA looks like a watchmaker's incuse mark and the P in a shaped surround looks like an import/export mark of some kind but I haven't been able to track it down. AWP I'm guessing is a retailer but perhaps it will mean something to someone.
I would be very grateful for any suggestions.
Laurence Joyce

Replies to questions

Christophe Ginter receives these answers about his Belgian marks
(see May 2015 Newsletter)

Peter van Oel writes:
The first image shows the maker's and assayer's mark of Jean Baptiste Philippe Brichaut, born in Brussels March 1761, active registered silversmith 1798-1800, assayer on duty in Brussels 1800-1832.
The 2nd image shows the maker's mark of Henri Pierre Buchet, born in Vilvoorde, October 1786, active registered silversmith in Brussels 1812-1826, died in Brussels December 1826
Peter van Oel

Ludo D'Haese writes:
In answer of Christophe Ginter request:
First mark: BC run through with an arrow:
Brichaut Jean Baptiste Philippe 1761-1839 Silversmith of Brussels. Appointed in 1800 as "essayeur du bureau de Garantie de Bruxelles" until 1831.
His son, Albert Joseph, used also the same mark after 1847.
Second mark: B above faggot:
Buchet Henri Pierre 1786-1826. Silversmith of Brussels (1812-1826)
Ludo D'Haese

David Boddy receives this information about his mustard pot
(see May 2015 Newsletter)

Peter van Oel writes:
Certainly not Dutch or Belgian marks and I believe the marks to be fantasy or pseudo marks. You write; In addition to the marks on the base of the pot there is a tax mark for locally made silverware in the form of a fish with scales in a shaped shield next to the hinge and on the inside of the lid. If I understand correctly, you refer to a South African tax mark for items locally made, if so the mustard pot is most likely made in South Africa somewhere in 20th century.
Peter van Oel

Pascal Drion receives these answers about his silver knives
(see May 2015 Newsletter)

Robert Massart writes:
I have following information for Pascal Drion:
The mark JM stands for the Parisian silversmith Jean-Baptiste Massat (active from 1826 till 1853). Symbol: a lyre with a dot at each side.
I do not know the name of the silversmith with the DA mark, but he was active at Vienne, Poitiers (department number 81 for the period 1819-1838).
Robert Massart

Christophe Ginter writes:
The first one, Paris 1819-1838, obviously Jean Baptiste MASSAT, initials JM, registered 1826-1853
The other knives presumably POITIERS in the province. Silver maker DA, I cannot read properly. Confirming the 1819-1838 period.
Best regards,
Christophe Ginter

Jan-Gabriel Lamorte writes:
1) JM. une lyre entre deux points; une lyre et deux points de chaque côté. Jean-Baptiste Massat, La Coutellerie, 35 rue Montmartre, puis 7 rue de la Monnaie à Paris. 1ère Insculpation 2 janvier 1826, au 23 novembre 1853, puis 2 ème insculpation, non biffée.
2) 3) DAL; une clef de pendule, le canon en-bas et deux points. Denis Alexandre Lecomte, Bijouterie; l'uni et l'ajusté, 33 rue de la Calandre Insculpation: octobre/novembre 1806.
Bien cordialement
Jan-Gabriel Lamorte

Derek Jones receives this information about his spoons
(see May 2015 Newsletter)

Christophe Ginter writes:
Regarding these spoons:
presumably...French silver items, First half XVIIIth century, produced by so-called "maîtres abonnés" silver makers in the province, IB and CA?
I may not properly read the attached pictures, and give consequently an ultimate opinion.
Christophe Ginter


In this column we presents a page obtained from makers' brochures, books, auction catalogs, advertising or whatever other printed paper, related to silver, that may be of interest for ASCAS members.
The images will be published at a "low resolution" level and for private and personal use only.
This column is published under the kind permission of Giorgio Busetto's website home page

William Briggs, 1840 advertisement

This month ASCAS presents an ancient advertisement of:


Furnival-Street, Sheffield
Manufacturer of
Silver and Silver Plated Goods
Silver Cutlery
Improved British Silver

Formerly Furniss, Pole & Turner. Active until 1958 at Button Lane 21, Carver St 13, Carver Lane 38 and Furnival St, Sheffield. Became Roberts & Briggs and later Roberts & Belk

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In this column we present an abstract from a page of the "What is? Silver Dictionary"
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Oneida Community, 1924 advertisement


About 1848 John Humphrey Noyes and a little association of men began an experiment in communal living at Oneida Creek. In 1877 the Oneida Community began the manufacture of tableware. The production of iron spoons called "Lily" and "Oval" manufactured by the Wallingford branch was the direct ancestor of the Community Plate line. In 1880 the activity was incorporated in New York as Oneida Community Limited and the factory was moved to Niagara Falls.
The first flatware Design Patterns were obtained by the company in 1881, but its production couldn't compete with higher quality silver made by other companies....



In this column we present marks, information and history of silversmiths and silver manufacturers.
This column is published under the kind permission of Giorgio Busetto's website home page


William Smily (born in 1792) was apprenticed in 1809 to Joseph Preston, spoon and fork maker.
In 1815, following the death of Joseph Preston, he was turned over to Thomas Wallis II to complete his apprenticeship. However he did not took up his freedom of the Goldsmiths' Company until 1830 (freedom by Service at the address Gee Street, Goswell Street).
It is likely that, at that time, he had commenced to work in the factory of A.B. Savory & Sons at 15 Gee Street.
His son William Robert Smily was apprenticed to him in Gee Street in 1833, obtaining his freedom in 1840.
In 1840 William Smily is recorded as residing and working at 5 Finsbury Place South, the address of another of Savory's factories where also the other two sons were apprenticed to their father (Samuel Smily I in 1840 and Thomas Smily in 1841)......

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Closing our JUNE 2015 edition of ASCAS Newsletter I hope you have appreciated its content.
Your comments, suggestions and advice will be of great help.

My thanks to Ludo D'Haese, Cheri Fowler, Christophe Ginter, Vladimir Jekic, Laurence Joyce, Jan-Gabriel Lamorte, Robert Massart, David McKinley, Richard Mytton-Mills, Yosef Shlingbaum, Ian Spellerberg, Peter van Oel for their precious contributions.

Giorgio Busetto


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