ASCAS Association of Small Collectors of Antique Silvernewsletter # 108 May 2013 SITE MAP
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Marie Antoinette's necessaire
Katherine Palthey presents:
Marie Antoinette's Second Necessaire
Solving a 200 years old mystery English version

One of the most famous Necessaires in France belonged to the Queen of France, Marie Antoinette (1755-1793), and is displayed in the International Perfume Museum of Grasse.
The IPM of Grasse recently underwent major renovation and has reopened with over 50,000 objects in its collection. It is organized into 5 sections, each dedicated to a different theme and country tracing back over the last 4000 years.
The Museum covers every aspect of the history of fragrance, materials, manufacturing, industry, business and design, and is nestled in the luxury perfume capital of Grasse......
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New members

Welcome to new ASCAS members:

Attilio Canta - Italy
Jason Davies - South Africa
Chen Fang - Usa
Doris Gentry - Usa
Christopker McConnell - England UK
Steve Naylor - Canada
George Whisstock - Usa

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Claude Guilloteau writes:
... I research information about a silver flatware set. It has the coat of arms of a bishop and the initials M.A. (the shield seems to be that of the city of PLUMAUDANT).
Two of the three punches to the back are the letters: S I surmounted by a crown and the third punch representing a whole animal.
I'm interested to know the age and the name of the silversmith.
Thank you in advance for your help.
Claude Guilloteau

Marco Iannantuono writes:
... Could I kindly ask if you could help to find information regarding these French silver hallmarks.
Thank you
Marco Iannantuono

Shelly Mitchell writes:
...I'm just wondering if you are able to help me with markings on a candelabra I have.
Some markings I can see are AI, EP in a shield, T L over & over B X, and two others which aren't clear.
Hoping you can help.
Best regards
Shelly Mitchell
The maker is Thomas Latham & Ernest Morton (see my website at )
Giorgio Busetto

Christophe Ginter writes:
...Maybe one ASCAS fellow should know more on the following Irish master with initials TD, first half of the XIXth century.
Many thanks in advance for his name, location and registration period.
Christophe Ginter

Massimo Simonato writes:
...I wondering if you know anything about these pocket watch bearing marks I'm unable to identify coupled with German marks (crescent and crown).
Thank you.
Massimo Simonato
The mark is: Switzerland, 875/1000, period 1882-1934.
Giorgio Busetto

Douglas B. Shand writes:
...I was wondering if you could assist me in identifying these French marks which are on a fork recovered from a French shipwreck that occurred in 1725.
I also would like to know if it is possible to determine which French family this armorial bearing belonged to?
Douglas B. Shand

Replies to questions

Bob Charter receives this answer about his flatware
(see April 2013 Newsletter)
Christophe Ginter writes:
ref. Bob Charters' request,
(1) this date letter S applies to AUGSBURG 1807,
(2) Seethaler is not a retailer but a silversmith:
Johann Alo´s SEETHALER, active in Augsburg 1796-1835.
Christophe Ginter

John Yale receives this answer about his spoon
(see March 2010 Newsletter)
Cheryl Winkley writes:
The item shown (please note the small size) is mid 20th century shaker-type salt spoon made by prominent Navajo silversmith Kenneth Begay.
The same basic design was also produced by other silversmiths associated with the White Hogan shop.
Cheryl Winkley


In this column we presents a page obtained from makers' brochures, books, auction catalogs, advertising or whatever other printed paper, related to silver, that may be of interest for ASCAS members.
The images will be published at a "low resolution" level and for private and personal use only
an ancient advertisement of Theodore B. Starr, New York
This month ASCAS presents an ancient advertisement of Theodore B. Starr, New York


204 Fifth Ave. MADISON SQUARE, New York
Choice Diamonds, Rare Pearls, Rubies, Sapphires, Emeralds, Gold Jewelry, Silver Jewelry, Stone Cameos, Fine Watches,
Traveling Clocks, Chime Clocks, Mantels sets, Candelabra, Artistic Bronzes, Decorative Porcelain
The firm was in business c. 1900-1924 and was succeeded by Reed & Barton


In this column we present an abstract from a page of the "What is? Silver Dictionary"
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silver mint julep cup


The Mint Julep originated in the southern United States, probably during the early 19th century.
It is a drink made with four ingredients: mint leaf, bourbon, sugar, and water.

Spearmint is the mint of choice used in Southern states, and in Kentucky in particular, and traditionally Mint Juleps were served in silver or pewter cups held only by the bottom and top edges of the cup. This allows frost to form on the outside of the cup...... more



In this column we present marks, information and history of silversmiths and silver manufacturers.
This column is published under the kind permission of Giorgio Busetto's website home page


The business was founded by Antonio Fattorini (1797-1860), an Italian who in 1829 was listed in Leeds as jeweller & hardware dealer at 18 Bazaar, Central Market.
In 1831 he set up a shop in Harrogate, Yorkshire, dubbed "Oriental Lounge" trading in jewellery and bric-a-brac. Later he moved to Bradford, taking a large building at 28 Kirkgate trading under the style "Fattorini & Sons".
During and slightly beyond Antonio's lifetime, the activity was advertised as "Fattorini & Sons, goldsmiths, Skipton, Harrogate and Bradford". The branch of Skipton was opened in 1848 by Innocent Fattorini (1830-74), continuing the activity of his father-in-law Baldassarre Porri (another Italian, who began his activity in 1827. Much later and when active in Birmingham, Fattorini Skipton branch referred to 1827 as its founding date).
Harrogate was managed by Antonio (II) Fattorini (1837-1913) and Bradford by John (1832-1909) and Edward Fattorini (1844-1913).....

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Closing our MAY 2013 edition of ASCAS Newsletter I hope you have appreciated its content.
Your comments, suggestions and advice will be of great help.

My thanks to Christophe Ginter, Claude Guilloteau, Marco Iannantuono, Shelly Mitchell, Katherine Palthey, Douglas B. Shand, Massimo Simonato and Cheryl Winkley for their precious contributions.

Giorgio Busetto
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